"Or perhaps free will would be relevant if human negligence always played a role. There will be some who say the scale of the tragedy in natural disasters is partly attributable to humans. The world has the choice to help its poorer parts build earthquake-resistant structures and tsunami warning systems.
A still smoking Krakatoa in 1883, which caused a devastating tsunami
But the technology has not always existed. Was prehistoric man, with his sticks and stones, somehow negligent in failing to build early warning systems for the tsunamis that were as deadly back then as they are today?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8467755.stm
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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Marrying a Black Person
by ThomasCovenant inwe are not living today among aryan nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for marrying a black, as was possible and was ordered in the early days of apartheid.. being limited by the laws of the new south african nation in which we live, we can take action against those who marry blacks only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with current laws.
the law of the land forbids us to kill them, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.
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Compare the wording in the first and third posts. The OP is very creative and well done.
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Marrying a Black Person
by ThomasCovenant inwe are not living today among aryan nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for marrying a black, as was possible and was ordered in the early days of apartheid.. being limited by the laws of the new south african nation in which we live, we can take action against those who marry blacks only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with current laws.
the law of the land forbids us to kill them, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.
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It's a parody of the Watchtowers prejudice ;)
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Marrying a Black Person
by ThomasCovenant inwe are not living today among aryan nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for marrying a black, as was possible and was ordered in the early days of apartheid.. being limited by the laws of the new south african nation in which we live, we can take action against those who marry blacks only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with current laws.
the law of the land forbids us to kill them, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.
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(Nov 15, 2011 WT):
" The prophet Elisha sent one of the sons of the prophets to anoint Jehu as king and to instruct him to kill every male of the apostate house of Ahab- 2 Ki. 8:28: 9:1-10."
"though the thought of violence is unpleasant, we should realize that in those days, Jehovah used his servants to carry out his judgments....Today, no servant of Jehovah uses physical force against opponents of pure worship. "Vengeance is mine," God says. (Heb. 10:30) But to rid the congregation of potentially corrupting influences. Christen elders may have to act with courage similar to that of Jehu.(1 Cor. 5:9-13) And all members of the congregation need to be detemined to avoid the company of disfellowshipped individuals-2 John 9-11."
"Jehu announced that he intended to hold "a great sacrifice" for Baal. (2Ki. 10:18,19) "This is a clever play on words on the part of Jehu," says one scholar. While the term employed here "generally means 'sacrifice,' it is also used of the 'slaughter' of apostates."
"It is true that Jehu spilled much blood. Yet, the Scriptures present him as a courageous man. "
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Marrying a Black Person
by ThomasCovenant inwe are not living today among aryan nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for marrying a black, as was possible and was ordered in the early days of apartheid.. being limited by the laws of the new south african nation in which we live, we can take action against those who marry blacks only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with current laws.
the law of the land forbids us to kill them, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.
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"This is from the Nov. 15th 1952 question from readers. This is directly from the CD btw:
Questions from Readers
•In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped ,how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?—P.C.,Ontario,Canada.
We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization,as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."—Deut. 13:6-11,AS.
Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we liveand also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God’s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof."
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one reason for the dumbing down of the org
by Magnum ina lot of us have said that theres been a dumbing down in jw land.
its just not like it used to be especially a few decades ago.
it seems to me that if jw are right and the end of the world is near, the spiritual food should get tastier and more nourishing as time goes on, but it's getting more and more bland and less nourishing.
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Serenity
20 Jun 2014
"I have no idea what generation means anymore...lol...is there still a celestial phenomenon coming?I know there's not an evil slave class.I'm glad about that one.The apostates seem to have gotten a demotion.:-)
Yep...lots of changes and yet the truth is so much simpler to share with others.Hand them a tract...ask a couple questions...read a scripture...simple!"
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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Bttt.
Excellent thread by Cofty. See page 74 if you want the summary.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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One final point.
Seraphim said:
"God can either move you out of the way of the lightning, change where the lightning will strike, or warn you not to go out in the first place. Sometimes people get premonitions of danger and so don’t get on the plane that will later crash for example. With this method free will is not affected, as the person still has a choice to ignore the warning or not. "
Seraphim also said:
"I do admit that God can intervene in disasters without affecting free will and he does in my view, just not all disasters all of the time, as that would create issue for free will."
Putting these statements together, you admit that God COULD warn people about a future natural disaster and let them decide whether to avoid it, without affecting free will.
You then say he DOES NOT do that all of the time because of the issue of free will.
Therefore if (theoretically speaking) mankind were to develop a flawless and 100% reliable natural disaster predicting device, that could warn people of any and all deadly earthquakes/tornadoes/etc in time for people to avoid or flee from them, would you say that it should not be used all of the time, as it would be harmful to free will? -
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Oh, and Cofty, is this kind of argument in your 108 page thread somewhere, or is it a new one to you?
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Is there a Creator who gives a s*** about you?
by DATA-DOG in....why your child died, or you have cancer, or lost friends to a mudslide, tsunami, car accident, flood, tornado, hurricane or senseless act of violence.
why your child was molested, or you were molested, or you were slandered by an elder, or boe, or the gb.
why children die of starvation everyday, why faithful xians die every day, some mauled by dogs in field circus.
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Is there a Creator who cares?..
Evidently not.